Four tough questions for protestants

Posted by Deeper Truth
Originally on: August 10, 2010

In a Youtube debate, I have posed 4 tough questions, for protestants that they refuse to attempt to answer. This is because all 4 questions strike at the very heart of what protestants view as God’s plan of salvation.

I am going to answer the questions one at a time there and record the discourse here as well as any lucid questions/ comments that may appear.

The four questions are;

1) When Paul preached to the Romans, did he do so with God’s authority?

2) What did Paul mean when he said that he had to fill up what was lacking in the sufferings of Christ? (Col 1:24)

3) Why was it necessary for Jesus to suffer?

4) Why did Jesus say that the cost of discipleship is that you must carry your cross?

The first question, academically,? is by-far the easiest, yet none of the 4 protestants in the room were willing to answer it (and still aren’t). The answer, obviously, is yes. Paul clearly spoke on God’s behalf. In other words, the WORD of God was transmitted through the PERSON of Paul and not just Paul’s letters. Paul PREACHED just as infallibly as when he wrote.

This proves two Catholic precepts
1) That “God’s Word” is not confined to Scripture ALONE, thus refuting Sola Scriptura.
2) God CAN transmit His infallible law through fallible human beings.

Any protestant not willing to concede these two points? is simply dishonest.

Further, Paul passed on his divinely established office to Timothy by the laying? on of hands.

2TM 1:6 For this reason, I remind you to stir into flame the gift of God that you have through the imposition of my hands.

The Bible is very clear that this anointing is passed on by direct? succession. There is no precept for someone receiving the authority by their own efforts.

I have just proven the Catholic doctrines of Scriptural authority, infallibility and Apostolic succession. All of this, with ONE question.

Question #2 overturns one of the most dishonest arguments protestants use, in the same way that Jesus overturned the tables of the money? changers. The argument of “sufficiency”. Protestants will claim that for a Catholic to suggest that a person must participate in his own salvation suggests that something is “lacking” in the sufferings of Christ. They will contend that such an assertion is Blasphemy.

It is pretty hard? to square that assertion of blasphemy with scripture.

Colossians 1:24 Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I am filling up what is lacking in the afflictions of Christ on behalf of his body, which is the church,

I have never once met a protestant who could provide an? answer for this passage. So I will…….

To look at this passage of scripture,? as a protestant, is to be shocked. After all, what could POSSIBLY be LACKING in the sufferings of Christ? Were I to say this, you would accuse me of blasphemy….. but this is the Apostle Paul speaking here.

This passage lays bare the dishonesty of the “sufficiency” argument because there are, in fact, TWO types of sufficiency, not ONE, as? the “reformers” dishonestly proposed.

The first is “Material” Sufficiency. That is, is there sufficient material to accomplish the job? In this case, the question would be, did Christ’s ”finished” work secure the graces needed for the salvation of every? man, woman and child on earth? The answer, of course, is yes.

The question is not in material sufficiency. The question is in “practical” sufficiency. Practical, as in ”practice”.
Does a Doctor have the material knowledge to do his craft? of course! but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t have to exercise his medical “practice” correctly.? To do so is “malpractice”

When Christ foretold His suffering and death, He instituted a “Covenant” in His blood. (Matthew 26:28). A covenant is a? binding agreement. It binds BOTH sides to the terms of the covenant.

What is? LACKING in the sufferings of Christ? YOUR side of the Covenant.

Even if you were to argue that all you must do is “confess with your mouth, and believe in your heart”, you would STILL be refuting practical sufficiency because you are acknowledging? that YOU have to do something. How ever, in Col 1:24, Paul expressly proposes SUFFERING as his part.

Thus, I have proven that suffering is a necessary part of salvation and proven Opes Dei? as built on a Biblical precept.

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8 Comments to “Four tough questions for protestants”

  1. 1 Corinthians 11:17-19 NIV
    [17] In the following directives I have no praise for you, for your meetings do more harm than good. [18] In the first place, I hear that when you come together as a church, there are divisions among you, and to some extent I believe it. [19] No doubt there have to be differences among you to show which of you have God’s approval.

    Because God said there has to be divisions in order to expose the truth. So how do you know you have God’s approval?

  2. In Colossians 1:24, Paul is telling us that he has been sent to bring God’s message to the church in its fullness. This is made more clear by reading the entire chapter. What does this have to do with good works?

    — An upset Lutheran

  3. The author of this article writes-“This proves two Catholic precepts
    1) That “God’s Word” is not confined to Scripture ALONE, thus refuting Sola Scriptura.”
    How does it follow that because Paul was an apostle directly appointed by Christ and spoke and taught with the authority of Christ that this shows that the Word is not confined to Scripture alone? There was time when the Word of God was oral but that is no longer the case after Jesus and His apostles died. The only Word of God that we have today is the Scripture. Only the Scripture is inspired-inerrant.
    Does the Roman Catholic church claim its teachings are inspired-inerrant Word of God and if so where does it state this?

  4. Finally…..in today’s world I would pose those same questions to today’s Catholics….a broad brush can do much damage! please see my (2) previous comments for context!

  5. I would like to enter this into this conversation!

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    Our PURPOSE and VISION:

    Our Mission: CT Church is committed to shaping tomorrows through worship, fellowship, discipleship, and evangelism.
    Our Vision: CT Church exists to introduce our city, state, nation and world to Jesus Christ. In an effort to fulfill the command to “Go into all the world and preach the Gospel” the leadership team of CT Church will continually strive to be in a position to hear from God and obey His directives.

    OUR Christian BELIEFS….
    1. WE BELIEVE… The Scriptures are Inspired by God and declare His design and plan for mankind.

    2. WE BELIEVE… There is only One True God –revealed in three persons…Father, Son, and Holy Spirit (commonly known as the Trinity).

    3. WE BELIEVE… In the Deity of the Lord Jesus Christ . As God’s son Jesus was both human and divine.

    4. WE BELIEVE…though originally good, Man Willingly Fell to Sin –ushering evil and death, both physical and spiritual, into the world.

    5. WE BELIEVE… Every Person Can Have Restored Fellowship with God Through ‘Salvation’ (accepting Christ’s offer of forgiveness for sin).

    6. WE BELIEVE…and practice two ordinances—(1) Water Baptism by Immersion after repenting of one’s sins and receiving Christ’s gift of salvation, and (2) Holy Communion (the Lord’s Supper) as a symbolic remembrance of Christ’s suffering and death for our salvation.

    7. WE BELIEVE… the Baptism in the Holy Spirit is a Special Experience Following Salvation that empowers believers for witnessing and effective service, just as it did in New Testament times.

    8. WE BELIEVE… The Initial Physical Evidence of the Baptism in the Holy Spirit is ‘Speaking in Tongues,’ as experienced on the Day of Pentecost and referenced throughout Acts and the Epistles.

    9. WE BELIEVE… Sanctification Initially Occurs at Salvation and is not only a declaration that a believer is holy, but also a progressive lifelong process of separating from evil as believers continually draw closer to God and become more Christlike.

    10. WE BELIEVE… The Church has a Mission to seek and save all who are lost in sin . We believe ‘the Church’ is the Body of Christ and consists of the people who, throughout time, have accepted God’s offer of redemption (regardless of religious denomination) through the sacrificial death of His son Jesus Christ.
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    11. WE BELIEVE… A Divinely Called and Scripturally Ordained Leadership Ministry Serves the Church . The Bible teaches that each of us under leadership must commit ourselves to reach others for Christ, to worship Him with other believers, and to build up or edify the body of believers–the Church.

    12. WE BELIEVE… Divine Healing of the Sick is a Privilege for Christians Today and is provided for in Christ’s atonement (His sacrificial death on the cross for our sins).

    13. WE BELIEVE…in The Blessed Hope—When Jesus Raptures His Church Prior to His Return to Earth (the second coming). At this future moment in time all believers who have died will rise from their graves and will meet the Lord in the air, and Christians who are alive will be caught up with them, to be with the Lord forever.

    14. WE BELIEVE…in The Millennial Reign of Christ when Jesus returns with His saints at His second coming and begins His benevolent rule over earth for 1,000 years. This millennial reign will bring the salvation of national Israel and the establishment of universal peace.

    15. WE BELIEVE… A Final Judgment Will Take Place for those who have rejected Christ. They will be judged for their sin and consigned to eternal punishment in a punishing lake of fire.

    16. WE BELIEVE…and look forward to the perfect New Heavens and a New Earth that Christ is preparing for all people, of all time, who have accepted Him. We will live and dwell with Him there forever following His millennial reign on Earth. ‘And so shall we forever be with the Lord!’

  6. No questions are tough when it comes to God’s Word, actions of Jesus Christ or any one of His Disciples. There appears to be a level of anger in the writer’s “writing tone”, does not God/Christ ask for tolerance in our dealings with each other, rooted in LOVE! I have a question; will Catholics enter the Gates of Heaven before Protestants? I will contend that we Worship & Praise the same God. We have accepted Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior through Baptism and submission of our sins under HIS Crucifixion & Resurrection. The Holy Spirit is our life line back to Father and Son until we are reunited. We use THE WORD to guide us and provide all that we need to live until WE LIVE ETERNALLY! If we spent as much time trying to convert the NON-BELIEVES instead of arguing the merits of Christian A/B/C beliefs and rituals, GOD would be much happier with our time spent. Because as even (1) accepts HIM The Heavens REJOICE! Too much time looking at the splinters in others eyes, we miss the “BEAMS” in our own eyes. Anger should not cause us to SIN, we must keep it in check!

    Let’s LOOK for where we are the same, not where we differ! I contend that we are more alike then we are different. I transitioned from Catholic to Protestant/Assembly of God after 45 years in 2001 and I am stronger than ever in my Walk with Christ….seeing HIM from another perspective has been very very enlightening! It has NOT altered anything I ever was taught or believe about GOD!

    Love You,

    Brother Doug Turnbull

    • How can you square away turning from God’s Church to one of the 40,000 protestant denominations. Why do you use a Catholic book to argue your point. It was never meant for schizmatics. You turn your back on the Holy Eucharist and Christ himself. Do you think that God changes his rules for everyone? Does he have 40,000 sets of rules for every church. You should think about that, and run back to your mother before it is true late and you drown in your own heresies.

      I converted to Catholicism after 31 years of protestantism. Living in filth and believing that I was saved… That is all a lie. Satan’s greatest lie to trick us into eating the forbidden fruit… Sin.

      • Galatians 2:11 NIV
        [11] When Peter came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he was clearly in the wrong.

        So everything the apostles said had authority even when they were clearly called out at times among themselves? Or maybe the figure head of the RCC was not speaking ex cathedra on matters of doctrine in this instance.

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